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Post by pðtù§ on Apr 22, 2003 22:00:19 GMT
Just thought we needed a LOTR thread. It's one of those things that I knew of but never looked at until the films came along, and now I'm a LOTRnut, if there is such a thing ;D
Wingnut and LOTRnut - have it etched on my headstone, please.
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Post by bajermajic on Apr 29, 2003 9:59:43 GMT
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
Am a huge LOTR fan, first read the books when i was 9 (took me months!) and have read them i think either 6 or 7 times.
Massive fan of the films too. PJ has done a mega mega job, there are a few mistakes, especially in the two towers, but overall it is a masterpiece. If he doesn't get achievment in directing at oscars next year then i will lose all faith in the rest of mankind.
Ensemble cast is also sensational, i liked the way they used some big name actors and then some complete unknowns. Either way they all turned out perfect for their respective parts, except possibly king theodyn, he wasn't how i imagined.
I also met Billy Boyd (Pippin) in a nightclub in glasgow and he was just a really good guy.
Magic!
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Post by Admin on Apr 29, 2003 17:46:38 GMT
I've spent more money on LOTR related stuff than on any other film I've ever known. Talking of PJ, I my opinion, I think the Academy is waiting for The Return of the King before giving him a director's oscar or the film best picture. But when they do it will probably be because of the whole three films. Like when Judi Dench won an oscar for Shakespeare In Love it was widely believed that her performance in the previous year's Mrs Brown contributed to her win. It'd be a shame if LOTR doesn't win a major oscar, I think I speak for many when I say it damn well deserves one. Never read the book though. It sits on my shelf in all it's glory, but I've not yet read it. I know I should, and then I'll know who this Tom Bombadil (or however it's spelt) is, because everybody seems to mention him when talking about the films  |
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Post by bajermajic on May 1, 2003 9:58:11 GMT
Seriously, you have to read the book.
PJ has done a superb job bringing it to life, and i'm not going to criticise a project to which he will have commited almost 10 years of his life to by the time it's all over. However it's pretty much impossible to truly recreate Tolkien's writing, which is so vividly descriptive. For some reason i always start reading them just before exams, one night i was up till 6am reading the two towers, despite the fact i had an advanced higher biology exam at 9am!
Although if you have seen the first two films, you're probably better seeing the third film before reading the book.
I'm counting down to november at the moment when two towers special edition is released with 44 mins extra footage, including far more of treebeard (my fave character in the book but not the films), and huorns at helms deep - if you don't understand what this means, wait and see!
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Post by pðtù§ on May 1, 2003 17:26:55 GMT
I've not read the book either. Loads of people I know have read the book and air little complaints. They said Treebeard wasn't given the time it deserved, refering to him simply as a sheperd. Hopefully the SE will make me appreciate him more. I'm looking forward to TRoTK, though it hasn't occurred to me i could read the book beforehand  As for exams, I read some trashy horror novel during the early hours of the mornings (we're talking 5 a.m. here) when I was supposed to be revising Hamlet, Wuthering Heights and things like that. |
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Post by Joey Lucas on May 1, 2003 17:41:35 GMT
I eventually managed to get through the first book after seeing the film, but really could get through the second book. It might help to watch the film first.
What does everyone else think
Nicola
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Post by Admin on May 1, 2003 17:58:20 GMT
It took many many attempts for me to watch the first film. Eventually it had to be done in installments over a number of nights. The second film however..... watched in one go and made me want to watch the first again.
I'm one of those people who when bored will stick in a DVD and watch the best bits, and then watch another film's best bits and so on. Good way to fill time, and I'm always watching bits from both films nearly every week (last night - the mines of moria) ;D I love Gandalf's words of wisdom when Frodo wishes none of it had happened. "So do all who live to see such times but that is not for them to decide. All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you". Brilliant.
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Post by bajermajic on May 1, 2003 19:24:20 GMT
I eventually managed to get through the first book after seeing the film, but really could get through the second book. It might help to watch the film first. What does everyone else think Nicola Nicola, I wouldn't worry if you found the first book hard to get into, most people do. It just moves very slowly. When you have grown up with it like me though, you grow to love it all. I used to have it read to me as a bedside story, although i had no idea what was going on. The Two Towers is much faster though, and treebeard (fangorn) is in it! He is much better in the book than the films. It could also be that you won't get into the books at all. Some people just never grow to like Tolkien's writing, it's just personal opinion. The one thing I really hate is Tolkien fans who criticise people who don't like LOTR. Not everyone likes Tolkien, just like not everyone likes the west wing, although they damn well should! ;D ;D ;D As for quotes, I like the ones straight out of the text. My favourite quote I think is "that is one of the mearas, unless my eyes are tricked by some spell". At least that is what i think Legolas says about Shadowfax. Pure Tolkien. Also, Aragon - "The leaves of Lorien do not idly fall" It's the little touches PJ put in the films that really get to me As you can probably tell, i am a huge fan. I don't know what i prefer, LOTR or TWW d P.S. I can't wait till the end of Return of The King. The final scene, The Grey Havens, is what Peter Jackson is putting his heart and soul into. It always makes me cry in the book |
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Post by Joey Lucas on May 1, 2003 19:24:56 GMT
i'm the same, i love watching the best bits from episodes of the west wing especially when CJ does The Jackal, most of the episode Celestial Navigation, the end of Noel and other parts.
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Post by pðtù§ on May 3, 2003 21:10:55 GMT
P.S. I can't wait till the end of Return of The King. The final scene, The Grey Havens, is what Peter Jackson is putting his heart and soul into. It always makes me cry in the book PJ said when he watches ROTK it makes him cry also, and damnit I wanna know why, but don't tell me! I wanna find out for myself I've never cried over a film before..... I go cold and feel those little hairs on the back of neck stand up. But never even one little tear. Not to worry |
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Post by spike on May 4, 2003 12:14:56 GMT
Talking of PJ, I my opinion, I think the Academy is waiting for The Return of the King before giving him a director's oscar or the film best picture. But when they do it will probably be because of the whole three films. Like when Judi Dench won an oscar for Shakespeare In Love it was widely believed that her performance in the previous year's Mrs Brown contributed to her win. It'd be a shame if LOTR doesn't win a major oscar, I think I speak for many when I say it damn well deserves one. I've said all along that what would happen is that RotK will win big at the Oscars (and PJ will win Best Director) as a sort of congratulations on a magnificant achievement. |
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Post by pðtù§ on May 5, 2003 14:22:20 GMT
Given that LOTRs is one whole book, am I alone in thinking (or hoping) that when all the films are done, that they should be edited into one huge film spread across whatever number of DVDs. It'd be no different than owning all three titles separately, but the novelty value.... yeah!
As for the Academy, it'd be a travesty if LOTR as a whole isn't considered (in their effed up opinion) better than Titanic. I mean, it's hardly difficult. The first two films along are better than Titanic. How many Oscars has LOTR won so far? I'm guessing when I say six or seven.
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Post by bajermajic on May 6, 2003 19:26:41 GMT
I couldn't tell you how many, but the first one won a lot more than the second. The worst thing is that two towers wasn't even NOMINATED for best make-up, which is simply unbelievable. Makes me want to scream!!  d |
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Post by Admin on May 6, 2003 20:08:06 GMT
I'm certain the first film won four Oscars. I say this because it won five Baftas - including Best Film - ... hang on, I'll say that again - including Best Film - and my sketchy memory tells me it won one less Oscar than it did Bafta. I could just go look at the DVD packaging but that'd mean getting off my chair and walking all of four paces.  |
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Post by bajermajic on May 7, 2003 11:48:34 GMT
I think return of the king should get best film, best director, special effects, make-up, at least best supporting actor for ian mckellan, a special award for gollum/andy serkis, and possibly a special achievment award for PJ. Am going to read the books again next december, so i can be fully prepped for the final film. I pretty much know them off by heart anyway, so will just be refreshing the memory. By the way, a great website for news and stuff is www.tolkienonline.comd |
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