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Post by Lemon Lyman on Nov 5, 2003 21:06:20 GMT
I like every thing about this episode apart from Sam - I think Sorkin tried to make his character a little more aggressive.
Loved the bit with CJ trying to get out of the trip avacardos et all. And the President referring to them as the clampets - sorry but images of Josh, Donna, Toby dressed as the Beverley Hillbillies just keep making me smile.
And my ultimate highlight was getting to know Will at bit more - bless him making chocolate crispie cakes for the speech writing staff it would have won me over. But then again if the old speech writing staff had stayed you boys won't have had the new eye candy - the Laurens ;D
The was the west wing at it's best humour and the serious subjects mixed...
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Post by DarkHoarse on Nov 6, 2003 9:55:54 GMT
Mmm, yes, don't wish to come over as shallower than a Liliputian paddling pool, but I thought Cassie was nicer than all of the Laurens ;D More seriously this episode, following the two wonderful hours of Inauguration, continued the tremendous form of recent weeks. As a sequence of sustained brilliance the last few weeks rank with the first six episodes ever, or ...Time To Time/Trash/Sabbath/Celestial Navigation. High praise indeed but warranted. While taking the point about Sam I would think that running for Congress in such an apparently hopeless cause would make such a strong-willed idealist that bit more aggressive. And it's not as if we haven't seen that side before: e.g. with Karen Larsen; 'bust you like a panana'; some dealings with the FBI in "Emergency" (when under intense pressure for different reasons, but still reasons which had a lot to do with his idealism). Anyway, as a balancing of lots of contrasting plots and themes it was up there with some of the great early (s1/s2) episodes. But (sob) is it the last we see of Sam?  |
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Post by Lemon Lyman on Nov 6, 2003 19:26:56 GMT
Not quite the end of Sam... I forgot about SGESGJ, I think that this shows the difficulties Sorkin had with the Sam character, I think we could all predict how Josh, Leo, Toby, CJ and POTUS would react in certain situations, but I don't think we could with Sam (I personally would expect that after 4 series). This is good we are actually debating an episode  I don't think your shallow liking Cassie better, it's about time the boys got some eye candy as well! Us girlies have lots, Josh and Charlie and Josh and Sam and Josh and Leo(oldguysexyway) and Josh and Toby and Josh  By the way the episodes just get better and better from here on! |
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Post by Josh Lyman on Nov 6, 2003 19:59:49 GMT
loved this episode , the best i've seen in ages , to me it got back to what the ww does best , mixing really serious stuff with light hearted melodrama .  as lemon of the lyman says above , great stuff. |
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Post by DarkHoarse on Nov 7, 2003 10:15:15 GMT
The episodes just get BETTER AND BETTER?? Wow, I just can't wait now! It was a shame that Sam was so under-used after "Emergency" (the only subsequent episode where he was front and centre was "100,000 Airplanes"). The one thing I could say for certain is that he'd always stand up for his beliefs even if it meant being quite aggressive. Sometimes it didn't quite ring true e.g. that comment about "it won't be CJ Cregg you have to deal with, it'll be me" (season 2 ish?) never struck me as much of a threat because he wasn't always the bullish enforcer type this comment would suggest. As for eye-candy, well we've had plenty, but not very consistently! Ainsley is much-missed, of course... we had some guest stars like Laura Dern... Donna is lovely... CJ has had her moments... er, Stockard Channing would be our "olderwomansexyway"... er, er, some strange people even liked Mandy  well, you know you're on a loser when the central character has 3 daughters, only one of them is nice, one's a drip and one's invisible!! |
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Post by Admin on Nov 12, 2003 1:41:37 GMT
The West Wing is blessed with female characters who are attractive intelligently as equally as they are looks. Stockard Channing looked fab during the President's speech about the pipe bombing in the episode '20 Hours In America: Part 2'. They should get Nana Moon from EastEnders on as the President's mother 'cause that'd make my day. She'd be one grandmother I'd never sell.
I've not seen The California 47th in months, however, I've got visions of CJ doing her little ditty, 'sand in my shoes, sand from Havana' in my head as I type.
This episode is a favourite of mine from season four. Every other programme on the box either does serious drama 24/7 or comedy with canned laughter. TWW provides me with both without making me feel I'm ordering the same meal from from a new menu, so to speak.
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Post by pðtù§ on Nov 12, 2003 15:54:40 GMT
Mandy, Mandy. Anybody think The Lion King Special Edition DVD would have been more special if they had dubbed over Moira with someone else instead of sticking in a new (pretty crap) song? Or am I being wholly unfair? The problem is, I don't know whether it's best that she is seen and not heard, or the other way round. |
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Post by DarkHoarse on Nov 12, 2003 16:58:38 GMT
Seen and not heard. Her voice was the really offesnive thing because it pulled off the difficult trick of being simultaneously whiny and arrogant. Right from her very first scene, nay, her first word!
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