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Post by Lemon Lyman on Aug 27, 2003 8:20:34 GMT
This was one of the best episodes for me in series 4. I love the way that the president and Charlie get obsessed with the tie and how they play out what happen in the last debate during his first campaign... it's great when they bring history in to the episodes. We also get to meet Will Bailey, this is a great beginning for this character, his sense of duty and loyalty. It is also nice to see Sam doing a bit more. CJ and Albie Duncan in the plane had me in stiches, offering him a Schweppes Bitter Lemon and a goodlooking female aide.
Series 4 has took a lot of critism recently, in my eyes every episode of the West Wing is outstanding television it's just that some episodes just stand out and are fantastic, sometimes in the normal kind of episodes you just have to look for deeper meanings, that is what makes the west wing the west wing. I think that after 3 seasons we may have all set our sights a bit too high!
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Post by DarkHoarse on Aug 27, 2003 8:29:15 GMT
I thought it was THE best episode so far in S4. And as for the season getting a lot of criticism, I think it's started a lot better than S3, with only 'The Red Mass' falling below my ever-huge expectations. Bartlet's "definitely not Uncle Fluffy" opening to the debate was simply one of the most exhilarating moments of any season.
And the pre-credits sequence was for my money the greatest since the heady days of season 1 and 2 and the funniest since Sam and Ainsley on Capital Beat (In This White House).
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Post by Sam on Aug 27, 2003 20:13:34 GMT
Definitely the best so far this series. Wish I'd paid a bit more attention to it last night. I'll just have to watch more carefully when I catch up with it. Got the whole series on DivX but haven't started watching yet (I don't know what's wrong with me either!)
What was the deal with the President and First Lady just before he went on? It seemed quite important because everyone started running around just after but I didn't see what happened. I thought he'd had an episode or something.
SPOILER
A little bit sad though, because it's the beginning of the end. How is the show going to manage without Sam? I just can't imagine it. For me, it won't be the same.
I did hear that after Sorkin left, he might have been written back in after failing in his campaign. Is that still a possibility?
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Post by pðtù§ on Aug 27, 2003 21:08:55 GMT
Are you drunk? Just before the President was due to hit the stage for the debate, the First Lady took a pair of scissors to his 'lucky tie'. Which is why everyone was running around. The show will survive without Sam, and Sorkin can't be written back in because he's not an actor. Curious to see how the show gets by without Sorkin writing anymore. And as for Sam being written back in, doubtful. Rob Lowe has a new show where he's the main character (the guy has an ego problem), and all he wants to be is the main character. Doesn't matter if the show is any good so long as Rob Lowe's name appears on the credits first and so long as he gets to act in the first scene of the show. There's always the possibility of him making guest appearances on The West Wing, though his new contract for Lyon's Den may prohibit that.
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Post by Laura Lyman on Aug 28, 2003 18:21:56 GMT
Game On was excellent. loved the joke they played on Toby. I don't want Sam to leave but he seems to have an over inflated ego, so maybe he doesn't deserve the role any more. Quite interesed to see what his new series is like. Does anyone know when it starts in the uk or if any station is planning on showing it.
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Post by madcap on Aug 31, 2003 23:30:44 GMT
I've just watched this episode and absolutely loved it. It ranks alongside the likes of Two Cathedrals in my book as it was the first since then to actually give me goosebumps. The debate scenes were simply awesome.
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Post by Laura Lyman on Sept 2, 2003 14:01:09 GMT
I loved it when abby cut his tie off. There's no way he will lose the election with debating abilities like that.
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