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Post by Admin on Oct 28, 2003 19:23:14 GMT
IDS. In my opinion, nice man, wrong party.
Not sure if my youthful mind remembers this bit of political history correctly, but I believe the same happened to John Major between himself and some bloke called John Redwood.
It would appear that trying to stay in contol of the Tory party is more difficult (for the blues) than staying in contol of running a country. They're good at neither.
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Post by spike on Oct 28, 2003 20:49:04 GMT
I have to admit, I admire the mans cojones.
Turning round and giving the party an ultimatum the way he did. Just a shame it's backfired on him.
I think that William Hague should stand again for leader. He was really good at it (anyone seen him run rings round Phoney Tony at PM's question time?) but he was unfortunate enough to be leader when the party was unelectable.
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Post by wingmatt on Oct 29, 2003 19:19:38 GMT
well as it turns out he's just got the sack
for : 75
against :90
candidates must announce their err candidacy by tomorrow
first ballot on 16th nov
as for the tories electability theyve got less chance now than ever , which is good but thats just my view
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Post by Admin on Oct 29, 2003 21:37:05 GMT
To me, it's all names and nothing more. Michael Howard. Yes I've heard of him and I know that he has been a player for a long time, however that was when I was younger and couldn't give a toss. So I don't know if he's as heavyweight as the media claims. Therefore I don't know if he is any better than Iain Duncan Smith.
Which in conclusion makes me wonder what the point of all this is/was? IDS was okay, in fact, in my opinion, he was as good as and in some cases better than William Hague.
Still, overall it makes no difference who leads the party because they're not going to win the next election. The Tory party is full of old people - you need only look at the audience shots at the recent party conference to arrive at that conclusion - and the majority of people who vote are of an age where they have already 'suffered' I'm told, Tory rule for 18 long years back at the end of the last century.
If Michael Howard wins, and I'm placing my bet on that he does, I don't see how bringing back an old face from the old regime will bring about an election win.
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Post by DarkHoarse on Nov 3, 2003 10:16:44 GMT
Iain Duncan Smith always reminded me of a school supply teacher with no capacity whatsoever to command respect...
Which makes Michael Howard the teacher from Pink Floyd's "Another Brick In The Wall" video...go on, stick them kids in a blender with a sadisitic grin and let your hammers go to work!!
"If someone had told me in 1997 that Howard would be regarded as the candidate to unify this party, I'd have wept." A Tory MP quoted last week.
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